Okay, so some 'event' happened in our beloved Temple of Three Winds, same story, 2 different sides:
Story A:A group of 2 players comes along and finds a hapless player being massacred by an ancient temple robot. The player needs help even if he doesn't know it. But behold! This player is actually in our org and is a general and did not like these players 'helping' him kill the evil robot. This general then proceeds to threaten to kick these players and anyone that gets in his way.
Story B:A group of 5 players comes along and killsteals a monster from two players (both Defiant generals). This group of players does not apologize or acknowlege any wrongdoing. One of the generals then decides to inform the org about these players bad behaviour.
These are dramatizations and since I've not even talked to the actual group of people that allegedly killed the monster, there might be a third and fourth side to the story..
Also, since there is no magic mirror or crime scene photos, there's also no way to actually know what happened except to listen to what people say. And I don't mind for both sides, or however many there are, to do that right here but I imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle. That's not some way for me to dismiss everyone, that's just what I really think happened but what really happened doesn't have much bearing on what I'll talk about, anyways.
It seems to me that players did killsteal, for whatever reason and then they were "threatened" with disciplinary action. (Although, no side has admitted to either of these things.)
General's Responsibilities and PowersSo first, threatening to demote or kick players is inappropriate. If players are in any clear violation of whatever "rule", it can be handled by a process that involves the org's opinion. Generals are the only group "allowed" to kick players, not because of some arbitrary system AO has, but because of ranking within the Defiant for becoming a general (and also because of AO's arbitrary system
).
Generals are expected to follow the
Rule of 3 which requires three votes from generals to kick a player. It's not been discussed but some possible exceptions could be made for
emergencies, though, I don't have any power to authorize this as it needs to be talked about more with the org first. Certain members
are granted special power to kick players in case of emergency. To my understanding, any kick can be overturned.
The problem for me is I have many members telling me about something that does not involve whatever happened in the temple but, instead,
a reaction by a general to whatever happened in the temple. Which makes whatever actually happened there less releveant unless it was so monumentally egregious to warrant such a reaction. This is unfathomable to me from all sides I've heard thus far.
So really, there's no need to ever threaten to kick members. If a player does something terribly wrong they will simply be kicked. So what can players be kicked for...?
Killstealing? Embezzlement?? MURDER???
Member's BehaviourFor a situation like what happens on a daily basis in the temple, it's very hard to get players to "behave" in a place like that. Okay I'm no saint.. but in a team if players KS others I just don't help them while they do it, I remind the team not to KS, this is about all I'll do. If a group is sufficiently mean with their KSing maybe they need some monsters pulled on them, which is totally against AO policy, by the way.
Killstealing is not against AO policy. We hope that players won't do lame things, though, and killstealing is pretty lame actually, regardless of being orgmembers or not. This happens alot in the temple, unfortuneatly. I don't think one incident of killstealing is enough to merit kicking players, especailly given the conditions of the temple.
But there are certain players that think KS'ing and also other bad behaviour, like
training or
ganking is fun. I don't want those players in our org. These activities can be acceptable under certain conditions, but generally, should be avoided.
The last thing to address is just manners which Knight speaks about like every other week. Totally not appropriate to tell players to !@#$ off if they did not specifically ask you to say that to them first. And even then I'm not so sure. Our lawyers are looking into it.
So when addressing people be respectful and if you have something to say, say it without so many expletives and with minimal to null personal attacks. Seriously.
